Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
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...tja, wenn denn dann die Herren Reeder so solidarisch wären und ihre Gewinne ihrer vielen von Deutschland aus gemanagten Schiff, unter "Billigflagge" mit "Billig-Personal" betriebswirtschaftlich optimiert, hier in Deutschland versteuern würden, Sozialabgaben und Lohnsteuern hier abführen würden...ja, dann gäbe es gar keine zwei Meinungen, moralisch meine ich...
Doch ich erinnere mich sehr gut an das Argument unserer Reeder: Unsere Besatzungen nehmen das Gesundheitswesen in Deutschland so gut wie nie in Anspruch, warum dann in die Krankenkasse zahlen?
Oder die vielen deutschen Seeleute, die vor einigen Jahren noch einen Tritt in den Arsch bekamen...zu teuer, zu viele Abgaben an die Sozialversicherungen und Steuer...
Immer nur die eigenen Vorteile ausnutzen und auf Kosten anderer leben? Das nenne ich unsozial und bedenklich!
Ach ja, preiswertes "Billigpersonal" zieht heute auch in deutsche Kontore ein.
...nur mal so in den Raum gestellt!
Doch ich erinnere mich sehr gut an das Argument unserer Reeder: Unsere Besatzungen nehmen das Gesundheitswesen in Deutschland so gut wie nie in Anspruch, warum dann in die Krankenkasse zahlen?
Oder die vielen deutschen Seeleute, die vor einigen Jahren noch einen Tritt in den Arsch bekamen...zu teuer, zu viele Abgaben an die Sozialversicherungen und Steuer...
Immer nur die eigenen Vorteile ausnutzen und auf Kosten anderer leben? Das nenne ich unsozial und bedenklich!
Ach ja, preiswertes "Billigpersonal" zieht heute auch in deutsche Kontore ein.
...nur mal so in den Raum gestellt!
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[quote="Sternenfels"]...
Doch ich erinnere mich sehr gut an das Argument unserer Reeder: Unsere Besatzungen nehmen das Gesundheitswesen in Deutschland so gut wie nie in Anspruch, warum dann in die Krankenkasse zahlen?
Aber, aber, Du Nestbeschmutzer!
Deutsche Seeleute nehmen die See-Krankenkasse nie in Anspruch, solange sie an Bord sind! Arztkosten werden vom Reeder bar bezahlt und er holt es sich von der SBG wieder.
Also ist das nicht mal eine Lüge der Reeder.
mfgSirius
Doch ich erinnere mich sehr gut an das Argument unserer Reeder: Unsere Besatzungen nehmen das Gesundheitswesen in Deutschland so gut wie nie in Anspruch, warum dann in die Krankenkasse zahlen?
Aber, aber, Du Nestbeschmutzer!
Deutsche Seeleute nehmen die See-Krankenkasse nie in Anspruch, solange sie an Bord sind! Arztkosten werden vom Reeder bar bezahlt und er holt es sich von der SBG wieder.
Also ist das nicht mal eine Lüge der Reeder.
mfgSirius
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Re: Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
Es ist die Begründung für viele Politiker zumindest kritisch dabei zu bleiben! Ich finde zu Recht.
"Fun without risk?" Das klappt nun mal nicht
Wer sich hier vor der Steuer drückt, darf sich nicht beklagen, wenn die Kassen leer sind.
"Fun without risk?" Das klappt nun mal nicht
Wer sich hier vor der Steuer drückt, darf sich nicht beklagen, wenn die Kassen leer sind.
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Re: Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
Beitrag mit Statements der Reederei und Betrachtungen zur Kaperung der BBC Trinidad und deutsche Zuständigkeiten
http://www.neue-oz.de/information/noz_p ... 33624.html
http://www.neue-oz.de/information/noz_p ... 33624.html
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Tim S.
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Re: Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
Da die Piraterie ein internationales Problem darstellt, ist es auch nur in einem internationalem Abkommen zu lösen. Wie auch immer die Nationen sich da verständigen können oder werden!
Die Diplomatie eines Staates in Zusammenarbeit mit einer betroffenen Reederei ist eine Sache. Der Einsatz von Marine stellt eine andere Qualität dar, die sich nicht jeder Staat vor seiner Küste gefallen lässt.
Eine schnelle Ratifizierung, so wie beim ISPS (Innerhalb von 8 Monaten nach dem 11. Sep.) ist nicht zu erwarten…auch nach dem nächsten Überfall nicht!
Deutschland wird ganz sicher keine Abenteuer wagen.
Die Diplomatie eines Staates in Zusammenarbeit mit einer betroffenen Reederei ist eine Sache. Der Einsatz von Marine stellt eine andere Qualität dar, die sich nicht jeder Staat vor seiner Küste gefallen lässt.
Eine schnelle Ratifizierung, so wie beim ISPS (Innerhalb von 8 Monaten nach dem 11. Sep.) ist nicht zu erwarten…auch nach dem nächsten Überfall nicht!
Deutschland wird ganz sicher keine Abenteuer wagen.
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Re: Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
Malaysian shipping company MISC has criticised the press coverage of the hijacking of two of its tankers, the Bunga
Melati Dua and the Bunga Melati 5. Specifically MISC has denied media reports based on a reported phone call
from a crew member on one of the vessels that the crew were running out of food.
A MISC statement says: “We refer to the article in the New Straits Times of 8 September 2008. The crew list of MT
Bunga Melati Dua and MT Bunga Melati 5 published in the newspaper is incorrect. MISC did not release the crew
listing. The publication of the crew list has caused severe distress to the families of the crew members.”
MISC president and CEO Dato’ Shamsul Azhar Abbas says: “MISC would like to reiterate that the family members have
expressed their concern over the speculative and adverse reports by the media and both MISC and the families
request that the media refrain from such speculative and adverse reporting. MISC would like to highlight that the
safety of our crew is our utmost priority and we are doing all we can to secure their safe return as early as possible.
We would like to once again plead with the media to be more sensitive with its reporting so as not to jeopardize the
lives of our crew by speculating, sensationalising or inaccurate reporting. We also appeal to the media to be sensitive
to the families of the affected crew.”
According to the MISC statement, negotiations with the hijackers of both vessels are ongoing and all crew onboard the
two vessels are “safe and are in relatively good condition”. It says: “There is ample supply of food on board the
vessels Source : Maritime Global Net
Pirates attack Norwegian ship
A Norwegian tanker owned by shipping tycoon John Fredriksen has become the latest target of pirates who tried to
hijack it in the Gulf of Aden. The tanker Front Voyager was sailing through the gulf Saturday morning when alert
crew spotted a speed boat closing in on the vessel. The pirates on board the speedboat, believed to be from Somalia, came up
alongside the large tanker and attempted to board while firing between 10 and 15 shots, according to reports from the scene.
"Fortunately no one (on board the vessel) was hit," said Dag Christoffersen of V Ships Norway, which manages the vessel.
The crew of the Front Voyager, trained to fend off pirates, contacted the Danish naval vessel Absalon stationed in the area to fight a wave of piracy in the gulf. The Danish ship sent an armed helicopter to the Front Voyager while the tanker's crew used water canons to keep the pirates from
scrambling up the sides of the ship. "These water canons are very powerful," Christoffersen told Aftenposten.no. The
helicopter arrived, the pirates were eventually captured and taken to an American battleship also stationed nearby.
Christoffersen praised the crew of the Norwegian-owned vessel, comprised of around 25 Russian officers and Filipino
seafarers. The vessel continued sailing to Singapore after the drama subsided. The Gulf of Aden, along with the Straits
of Malacca, has become a site of frequent pirate attacks, with 24 reported just between April and June. Saturday's
attack on the Front Voyager was the fourth in three days, according to Jesper Lynge of the Danish navy. Source :
Aftenposten.no
Singaporean, Chinese and Thai ships thwart pirate attacks off Somalia's coast
Pirates armed with rocket-propelled grenades attacked three vessels off Somalia's coast but failed to hijack them
because of quick action by crew members, a maritime official said Monday. A Chinese cargo ship, a Singaporean
liquefied gas carrier and a Thai bulk carrier managed to thwart the pirates in the Gulf of Aden by increasing speed and
taking evasive maneuvers, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau.
Somalia, which has had no functioning government since 1991, is the world's top piracy hotspot. The latest incidents
bring to 44 the number of attacks off its coast this year. Most occurred in the Gulf of Aden, Choong said.
"Early detection allowed all three ships to report to IMB and take quick action to escape," said Choong, who heads the
IMB's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur. He said the situation was still grave despite increased patrols by
warships from a multinational coalition in the area. The Chinese-owned ship, sailing under the flag of the Caribbean
island state of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, was passing through the gulf Friday when crew noticed a blue tug
identified by the IMB as a suspected pirate vessel, Choong said.
The crew raised the alarm after a speed boat from the tug headed toward the ship, he said. Four pirates armed with
rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons started firing, but the ship escaped after it increased speed and the
crew threw objects at the pirates during the chase, he said.
On Saturday, six pirates armed with rocket-propelled grenades attempted to ambush a Singaporean tanker in the gulf,
Choong said. The tanker increased speed and changed course, leaving the attacking boat rolling heavily and four
pirates fell into the sea, he said.
The pirates later resumed chase and the ship captain contacted the IMB, which sought help from the coalition naval
force, he said. The pirates gave up their chase before a coalition warship could reach the scene, he said.
The next day, pirates in two speed boats chased a Thai bulk carrier but it also managed to evade the pirates and
headed toward Yemen's coast, Choong said. Nobody on board the ships was injured in the incidents. The attacks came
after pirates hijacked an Egyptian cargo ship and a French sailboat last Wednesday. Ten vessels have been seized in
the region since July 20.
The Gulf of Aden, which connects the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean, is one of the world's busiest waterways with
some 20,000 ships passing through it each year. The surge in pirate attacks has prompted the U.S. Naval Central
Command to establish a security corridor in the gulf patrolled by the international coalition of warships.
Source : Startribune.com
Melati Dua and the Bunga Melati 5. Specifically MISC has denied media reports based on a reported phone call
from a crew member on one of the vessels that the crew were running out of food.
A MISC statement says: “We refer to the article in the New Straits Times of 8 September 2008. The crew list of MT
Bunga Melati Dua and MT Bunga Melati 5 published in the newspaper is incorrect. MISC did not release the crew
listing. The publication of the crew list has caused severe distress to the families of the crew members.”
MISC president and CEO Dato’ Shamsul Azhar Abbas says: “MISC would like to reiterate that the family members have
expressed their concern over the speculative and adverse reports by the media and both MISC and the families
request that the media refrain from such speculative and adverse reporting. MISC would like to highlight that the
safety of our crew is our utmost priority and we are doing all we can to secure their safe return as early as possible.
We would like to once again plead with the media to be more sensitive with its reporting so as not to jeopardize the
lives of our crew by speculating, sensationalising or inaccurate reporting. We also appeal to the media to be sensitive
to the families of the affected crew.”
According to the MISC statement, negotiations with the hijackers of both vessels are ongoing and all crew onboard the
two vessels are “safe and are in relatively good condition”. It says: “There is ample supply of food on board the
vessels Source : Maritime Global Net
Pirates attack Norwegian ship
A Norwegian tanker owned by shipping tycoon John Fredriksen has become the latest target of pirates who tried to
hijack it in the Gulf of Aden. The tanker Front Voyager was sailing through the gulf Saturday morning when alert
crew spotted a speed boat closing in on the vessel. The pirates on board the speedboat, believed to be from Somalia, came up
alongside the large tanker and attempted to board while firing between 10 and 15 shots, according to reports from the scene.
"Fortunately no one (on board the vessel) was hit," said Dag Christoffersen of V Ships Norway, which manages the vessel.
The crew of the Front Voyager, trained to fend off pirates, contacted the Danish naval vessel Absalon stationed in the area to fight a wave of piracy in the gulf. The Danish ship sent an armed helicopter to the Front Voyager while the tanker's crew used water canons to keep the pirates from
scrambling up the sides of the ship. "These water canons are very powerful," Christoffersen told Aftenposten.no. The
helicopter arrived, the pirates were eventually captured and taken to an American battleship also stationed nearby.
Christoffersen praised the crew of the Norwegian-owned vessel, comprised of around 25 Russian officers and Filipino
seafarers. The vessel continued sailing to Singapore after the drama subsided. The Gulf of Aden, along with the Straits
of Malacca, has become a site of frequent pirate attacks, with 24 reported just between April and June. Saturday's
attack on the Front Voyager was the fourth in three days, according to Jesper Lynge of the Danish navy. Source :
Aftenposten.no
Singaporean, Chinese and Thai ships thwart pirate attacks off Somalia's coast
Pirates armed with rocket-propelled grenades attacked three vessels off Somalia's coast but failed to hijack them
because of quick action by crew members, a maritime official said Monday. A Chinese cargo ship, a Singaporean
liquefied gas carrier and a Thai bulk carrier managed to thwart the pirates in the Gulf of Aden by increasing speed and
taking evasive maneuvers, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau.
Somalia, which has had no functioning government since 1991, is the world's top piracy hotspot. The latest incidents
bring to 44 the number of attacks off its coast this year. Most occurred in the Gulf of Aden, Choong said.
"Early detection allowed all three ships to report to IMB and take quick action to escape," said Choong, who heads the
IMB's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur. He said the situation was still grave despite increased patrols by
warships from a multinational coalition in the area. The Chinese-owned ship, sailing under the flag of the Caribbean
island state of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, was passing through the gulf Friday when crew noticed a blue tug
identified by the IMB as a suspected pirate vessel, Choong said.
The crew raised the alarm after a speed boat from the tug headed toward the ship, he said. Four pirates armed with
rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons started firing, but the ship escaped after it increased speed and the
crew threw objects at the pirates during the chase, he said.
On Saturday, six pirates armed with rocket-propelled grenades attempted to ambush a Singaporean tanker in the gulf,
Choong said. The tanker increased speed and changed course, leaving the attacking boat rolling heavily and four
pirates fell into the sea, he said.
The pirates later resumed chase and the ship captain contacted the IMB, which sought help from the coalition naval
force, he said. The pirates gave up their chase before a coalition warship could reach the scene, he said.
The next day, pirates in two speed boats chased a Thai bulk carrier but it also managed to evade the pirates and
headed toward Yemen's coast, Choong said. Nobody on board the ships was injured in the incidents. The attacks came
after pirates hijacked an Egyptian cargo ship and a French sailboat last Wednesday. Ten vessels have been seized in
the region since July 20.
The Gulf of Aden, which connects the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean, is one of the world's busiest waterways with
some 20,000 ships passing through it each year. The surge in pirate attacks has prompted the U.S. Naval Central
Command to establish a security corridor in the gulf patrolled by the international coalition of warships.
Source : Startribune.com
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Re: Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
Korean balker Bright Ruby highjacked September 10 and all other vessels:
September 10, 07.00 UTC – pirates highjacked Korean balker Bright Ruby, en-route Europe. Several hours before Greek supramax balker was attacked and fired upon, close-by navy ship sent helicopter and steamed to assist, pirates warded off. Balker Bright Ruby – grt 15872, built 1987, flag Korea, crew 21, 9 of them koreans, others unknown.
September 4 – Venezuela-registered, French-owned, 24 m and 2-mast luxury sailing yacht Carre D'as IV, an Amel Super Maramu, was on her transfer from Australia to France, when she was hijacked in the Gulf of Aden. The hi-jackers averted any attempt to stop their escape with the yacht and are not at Eyl as reported falsely in parts of the media. Reports directly from Somalia indicate that the hostages (the couple Jean-Yves and his wife Bernardette Delanne of French Nationality) were dropped at the Somali coast near Alula, yacht is now used to hunt for further prey.
September 3 09.30 LT – m/v Al Mansourah was attacked and captured in 14:27N - 049:40E, 13 miles off Yemeni coast, en-route Bin Quasim to Jibouti with cement cargo. Crew 25, grt 9549, built 1980, Panama flagged, owner Egyptian RED SEA NAVIGATION CO.
August 29 - chemical tanker BUNGA MELATI 5 was hijacked 13:11N 046:38E at around 14:00 hrs yesterday approximately 14 Nautical Miles off the Coast of Yemen. This location is in the central Gulf of Aden approximately 135 Nautical Miles farther to the west from previous hijack locations indicating an increased operating area for piracy in the Gulf of Aden. m/t BUNGA MELATI 5 – grt 22116, built 1999, flag Malaysia, owner MISC BHD. This is the second tanker of MISC BHD, captured by Somali pirates.
August 21 – early in the morning pirates highjacked two vessels, in less than one hour.
Iranian balker IRAN DEYANAT was fired upon, boarded and highjacked. m/v IRAN DEYANAT – grt 44468, built 1983, Iran flagged, owner IRISL, crew 29, cargo ore, en-route to Europe. Rumours are, there were some arms as cargo on board.
Soon after was highjacked another vessel, tanker Irene – 7373 grt, built 2000, flag Panama, manager KOYO KAIUN CO LTD-TOKYO Japan. En-route France – Kandla, India. Crew 19, master and chief engineer Russians, one Croatia citizen, 15 Philippinese citizen.
Later that day, around 20.00 LT, another vessel highjacked, this time general cargo vessel BBC Trinidad, dwt 9775, built 2006, flag Antigua, crew 13 – master Slovenia citizen, chief engineer, 2-nd engineer and 2-nd officer Russian citizen, 9 Philippinese citizen.
August 19 – pirates highjacked chemical tanker Bunga Melati Dua, dwt 22254, built 1997, flag Malaysia, owner MISC BHD. Cargo palm oil, en-route Indonesia-Yemen, crew 20 plus, all Malaysia citizen.
August 10 – pirates highjacked Thai general cargo m/v Thor star, 10572 grt, built 1985, flag Thailand, manager THORESEN & CO BANGKOK LTD. With logs load, vessel was en-route SEA – Europe, crew 28, all Thailand citizen.
August 10 – pirates highjacked tug Yenaoga Ocean, owner SL Integrated Services, en-route Dubai – Mogadishu, no data on the vessel or crew.
July 20 – pirates highjacked balker Stella Maris dwt 52454, built 2007, flag Panama, manager MMS CO LTD Japan, cargo lead-zink ore, crew 20, Philippines.
Pics of all highjacked vessels: http://www.odin.tc/eng/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=149
aritime Bulletin – Sovfracht http://www.odin.tc/
September 10, 07.00 UTC – pirates highjacked Korean balker Bright Ruby, en-route Europe. Several hours before Greek supramax balker was attacked and fired upon, close-by navy ship sent helicopter and steamed to assist, pirates warded off. Balker Bright Ruby – grt 15872, built 1987, flag Korea, crew 21, 9 of them koreans, others unknown.
September 4 – Venezuela-registered, French-owned, 24 m and 2-mast luxury sailing yacht Carre D'as IV, an Amel Super Maramu, was on her transfer from Australia to France, when she was hijacked in the Gulf of Aden. The hi-jackers averted any attempt to stop their escape with the yacht and are not at Eyl as reported falsely in parts of the media. Reports directly from Somalia indicate that the hostages (the couple Jean-Yves and his wife Bernardette Delanne of French Nationality) were dropped at the Somali coast near Alula, yacht is now used to hunt for further prey.
September 3 09.30 LT – m/v Al Mansourah was attacked and captured in 14:27N - 049:40E, 13 miles off Yemeni coast, en-route Bin Quasim to Jibouti with cement cargo. Crew 25, grt 9549, built 1980, Panama flagged, owner Egyptian RED SEA NAVIGATION CO.
August 29 - chemical tanker BUNGA MELATI 5 was hijacked 13:11N 046:38E at around 14:00 hrs yesterday approximately 14 Nautical Miles off the Coast of Yemen. This location is in the central Gulf of Aden approximately 135 Nautical Miles farther to the west from previous hijack locations indicating an increased operating area for piracy in the Gulf of Aden. m/t BUNGA MELATI 5 – grt 22116, built 1999, flag Malaysia, owner MISC BHD. This is the second tanker of MISC BHD, captured by Somali pirates.
August 21 – early in the morning pirates highjacked two vessels, in less than one hour.
Iranian balker IRAN DEYANAT was fired upon, boarded and highjacked. m/v IRAN DEYANAT – grt 44468, built 1983, Iran flagged, owner IRISL, crew 29, cargo ore, en-route to Europe. Rumours are, there were some arms as cargo on board.
Soon after was highjacked another vessel, tanker Irene – 7373 grt, built 2000, flag Panama, manager KOYO KAIUN CO LTD-TOKYO Japan. En-route France – Kandla, India. Crew 19, master and chief engineer Russians, one Croatia citizen, 15 Philippinese citizen.
Later that day, around 20.00 LT, another vessel highjacked, this time general cargo vessel BBC Trinidad, dwt 9775, built 2006, flag Antigua, crew 13 – master Slovenia citizen, chief engineer, 2-nd engineer and 2-nd officer Russian citizen, 9 Philippinese citizen.
August 19 – pirates highjacked chemical tanker Bunga Melati Dua, dwt 22254, built 1997, flag Malaysia, owner MISC BHD. Cargo palm oil, en-route Indonesia-Yemen, crew 20 plus, all Malaysia citizen.
August 10 – pirates highjacked Thai general cargo m/v Thor star, 10572 grt, built 1985, flag Thailand, manager THORESEN & CO BANGKOK LTD. With logs load, vessel was en-route SEA – Europe, crew 28, all Thailand citizen.
August 10 – pirates highjacked tug Yenaoga Ocean, owner SL Integrated Services, en-route Dubai – Mogadishu, no data on the vessel or crew.
July 20 – pirates highjacked balker Stella Maris dwt 52454, built 2007, flag Panama, manager MMS CO LTD Japan, cargo lead-zink ore, crew 20, Philippines.
Pics of all highjacked vessels: http://www.odin.tc/eng/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=149
aritime Bulletin – Sovfracht http://www.odin.tc/
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Re: Somalia: Piraterie ohne Ende
Die "BBC Trinidad" ist am 11.9. gegen Zahlung einer im "niedrigen siebenstelligen Dollarbereich" liegenden Lösegeldsumme freigelassen worden und wird nun Maskat anlaufen.